This transcript assumes that owning data production and management enhances agency and that currently there is not enough technical capacity to shape the PID landscape (hence the need for training). This discourse assumes that engagement will be primarily institutional or mediated through professional roles (e.g. research roles or libraries). There is lack of clarity on how those who are not affilitated with institutions or citizen /lay scientists can directly shape this initiative. I think this is true more generally - most researchers gain access, legitimacy and credibility based on their institutional affiliation.